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POINT AND COUNTERPOINTS LEFT vs. RIGHT FACTS AND ARGUMENTS

POINT AND COUNTERPOINTS LEFT vs. RIGHT FACTS AND ARGUMENTS

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Many people confuse their OPINIONS and VIEWS with facts.. Their opinion and/or view may indeed be a fact; however facts have to be able to be proven and some basis other than an opinion and a belief..
”A fact is a pragmatic truth, a statement that can, at least in theory, be checked and either confirmed or denied. Facts are often contrasted with opinions and beliefs, statements which are held to be true, but are not amenable to pragmatic confirmation or denial (Wikipedia)”
Let me explain.. Here is a fact..
"The Omnibus bill had over 8000 earmarks "special projects" imbedded in it"
This can be checked and substantiated from sources considered to be non-partisan..

Some bloggers seemed to deny the fact that the Earmarks where there.. others attempt to obfuscate the issue with a series of minor details.. never really addressing the issue of the Earmarks themselves..


Arguing against or for a fact:

Now going back to the definition of the word FACT view here the differing points the Arguments against the points.. Note I said arguments not counter points.. Points are generally accepted as a fact if backed up with a proven base. Counter Points as well as points can also be fact, based on proven points.. The difference here is weight.. the weight of the argument balanced by the effectiveness of the Counter Point.. in other words Validity. If a point is issued as a fact.. it must have a valid source or universally known to be true.. i.e. “ The Earth is round” We can prove this to be true by looking at Satellite data or accept the universal truth. Simply saying the Earth is flat is not a Counter-point it is only an argument not based in fact..

How to Break an Argument
Let me explain Breaking the Argument.. When arguing a particular fact.. To break it you must do more than just dispute it or fail to agree.. You must present counter facts (points) with at least as much credibility (validity) as the original fact (point) carried..In other words.. Argue that the data is incorrect and present data that directly disputes the original Point. Prove your point.. Just coming up with an example that the arguer presents as proof it will not work is only valid if a counter point cannot be offered..With as much validity as the original point.. Just because you disagree DOES NOT BREAK THE ARGUMENT.
Left vs Right
“A Political Ideology is a certain ethical set of ideals, principles, doctrines, myths or symbols of a social movement, institution, class, or large group that explains how society should work, and offers some political and cultural blueprint for a certain social order. A political ideology largely concerns itself with how to allocate power and to what ends it should be used. Some parties follow a certain ideology very closely, while others may take broad inspiration from a group of related ideologies without specifically embracing any one of them.”(wikipedia)
We are often stuck inside a particular belief system.. an Ideology.. It can be both Moral and Ethical, Religious or Political.. We sometimes cling to the belief system and refuse to see outside the box that ideology puts us in.. We refuse to see other points of view and view differing points of view as being unworthy or without Merit and often attack the counter belief. When we do this we stifle discourse and debate and lose all opportunity to broaden our knowledge base.
Not all Ideologies are wrong.. Conversely not all are right either. We need to be better than the ideology that ties us to one set of beliefs and leaves no room for a counter point to even be considered..
Final Thoughts
Rather you are a Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, or some other affiliated or non-affiliated political or non political group. We are all facing tough times. We can dwell on was it the previous administration.. the one before it.. or is this one all we want..
The FACT is change is occurring. The question here is it the Right changes for the majority of us. Are we heading into the abyss or are we crawling out of the pit. I don’t know and I think no one does.. At least not yet.

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Comment by mister mike on December 4, 2012 at 2:04am

So what liberal is making waves now?

Comment by June Gagnon on December 3, 2012 at 9:03pm

It has often been said, by many others - -"We are each entitled to our own opinion, but we are NOT entitled to our own facts"!


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Comment by Steve Lindsey on December 3, 2012 at 7:50pm

Vladimir you may reproduce please just give credit...Thanks

Comment by Jack Weimar Penland on December 3, 2012 at 7:21am

Nannett, have you ever heard of the phrase "invincible ignorance"? The left, with their typically room temperature IQs, personifies this. It's their version of the old Scientific Method. In their new version, the facts are changed to support the theory, or wishes of the proponent, rather than changing the theory to reflect reality. Reality.... there's a word the Left would just as soon expunge from the English language, probably because of their tenuous and uncertain grip on it. It is my theory that people subscribe to a Leftist theory because they are, at heart, followers, insecure people who believe that some faceless,anonymous AUTHORITY is somehow better able to determine what is best for them than they can themselves. That, of course is their right and their business. However, when they try to foist this system off on others such as myself who don't agree, we have a problem. Have you ever noticed that Leftists are usually jealous of success in others, have a tendency to blame their misfortunes on someone else, and are usually either a), Poorly educated or b). Educated far beyond their intelligence? The abilty to memorize facts and/or theories that someone else is responsible for is not a mark of intelligence. Good memories are commonplace among the poorly educated as, I suppose, compensation for their inability to read, reason, and extrapolate valid conclusions from known facts, another failing of the Left.

Comment by Nannett Soli on December 2, 2012 at 7:39pm

When the left creates their own proof to support their so called facts, what is that then? How do you dislodge the pseudo-idealism that controls their every thought as facts?  If the left is convinced their facts support their argument, even when provided with facts that contradict theirs, it really no longer matters if you break the argument or not - arguing with idiots never presents the chance of breaking the argument.  I have more than thrice squared proven my facts that socialism doesn't work, that our gvt is becoming socialist if not communist using the mechanics of policies and regulations.  Still... their mind numbing, infuriating, useful idiot drum beat continues. 

Comment by Gayle on December 1, 2012 at 1:39am

I think it is pretty clear  to me and many others that we are falling into the abyss..that is what Obama wants, it appears..I believe he is changing our country into communist country with Muslim Brotherhood on the side..how that turns out I don't know.. But I do know Agenda 21 is in the works more than people know and that is complete government control in every area of our life...Reading Glenn Beck Agenda 21 and I sure hope it won't be as bad as that.. also reading other books on Agenda 21 ..communism is on the way.

Comment by Gilberto Garcia on November 30, 2012 at 10:24pm

LOOK PEOPLE , OBAMA WILL EITHER BE PREMOVED FROM OFFICE DURING THIS TERM OR BEFORE IT STARTS, HE WILL HAVE DISTROYED AMERICA AS WE KNOW IT, AND WILL BE PRESIDENT FOR LIFE.

DON'T WAIT, THE WAIT AND SEERS WILL ALWAYS BE AS USUAL TOO LITTLE TOO LATE.

Comment by MIchael W Jeter on November 30, 2012 at 4:16pm

  If the Republicans had not turned there back on the Tea party we would not be in this mess!!

Maybe we can get this fixed in 2014 and restructure our party and take our country back in 2016.

Dont give up,  America is worth fighting for.

 "God Bless" our home.

Comment by Philip DiNardo on November 30, 2012 at 2:40pm

its hard to endure speaking with the loons on the left they are totally ignorant jack asses and suicidal, they have no clue as to what it is to live under a fascist regime, but they will get their wish very shortly and when it comes they will come for their own first because of their uselessness admiration of loonism

Comment by SamAdams on November 30, 2012 at 2:38pm

Above all, if you do not know which way we are headed, you are thoroughly confused.  How can you be a reader of PAN and other sources and not know we are headed for the dismantling of America and all that it once stood for.  This is not just a "bump in the road" as someone else had said.  We are witnessing the beginning of the end of a once great nation at the hands of it's own people.  The mad grab for someone else's money (set in law by politicians primarily interested in getting elected/re-elected) has greatly intensified and will now just continue to build on itself.  An increasingly bigger government is funded by a corresponding increases in taxes, which in turn re-distributes the wealth from the productive side of the economy to the non-productive.  The end game is obvious.  Only the timing can be questioned.



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