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By, Rev. Larry Wallenmeyer- P.A.N. Admin II.


"Justice" Kagan just does not get it.

Her argument that "the Federal Government giving away 'boat-loads' of money doesn't sound coercive" shows just how out of touch with reality, i.e Liberal, Kagan truly is.

Some Basic Questions.

1. WHERE does the Government- Local, State and Federal- get it's money?

2. HOW does the government get their money?

3. DOES the government give away any money without at least some requirements attached to it?

4. HAS the Government ever given away one penny without some requirements attached?

5. WHEN the receiver of Gov. monies gets said "boat-loads" of cash IF they ever fail to meet the gov. requirements will there be penalties and the withholding of future Gov. dollars?

6. Would YOU call the needing to meet Gov. requirements for funds, the monitoring of the spending of Gov. funds, and the penalties and withholding of funds "coercive"?


Kagan v. The Real World.


Apparently in the "Alternate Liberal Universe" that Justice Kagan (and ALL Liberals) live in the taking of LOTS of money from one person/group to "give" to another person group, who then can only spend the Gov. dole in a manner that meets the approval of The Government, with the threats of penalties and withholding of funds is "not coercive"...it's just the giving away of "boat-loads" of money.


WHERE do Liberals think the money they spend comes from? taxes? "Obama's stash"?


Here, in her own words is Justice Elana Kagan making these comments-

Justice Kagan: "Mr. Clement, can I ask you as just a matter of clarification; would you be making the same argument if, instead of the federal government picking up ninety percent of the cost, the federal government picked a hundred percent of the cost?"...

..."It’s just a boatload of federal money for you to take and spend on poor people’s healthcare.  It doesn’t sound coercive to me, I have to tell you."

Sources:

http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/kagan-it-s-just-bo...


http://visiontoamerica.org/8951/kagan-on-obamacare-its-just-a-boatl...

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What do you all think?


Is this coercion? or is it "just a boat-load of money"? or both?


More Facts on Obama-Care:

http://social.patriotactionnetwork.com/forum/topics/are-you-part-of...

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BIG UP-DATE!!

Justice Stephen Breyer says Congress CAN create a commerce in order to regulate it!


Here are the pertinent excerpts:


1. Can Congress order individuals to buy a good or service?

“Yes, of course they could,” said Breyer.


2. “Well, yes,” said Breyer, “I thought the answer to that was, since McCulloch versus Maryland, when the Court said Congress could create the Bank of the United States which did not previously exist, which job was to create commerce that did not previously exist, since that time the answer has been, yes.


3.

“I would have thought that your answer [to] can the government, in fact, require you to buy cell phones or buy burials that, if we propose comparable situations, if we have, for example, a uniform United States system of paying for every burial such as Medicare Burial, ... and Congress wanted to rationalize that system, wouldn't the answer be: Yes, of course, they could,” said Breyer.

“And the same with the computers, or the same with the cell phones, if you're driving by the side of the highway and there is a federal emergency service, just as you say you have to buy certain mufflers for your car that don't hurt the environment, you could,” said Breyer.


Source: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/justice-breyer-can-congress-make-am...

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One thing Justice Stephen Breyer is "not getting" is that Article 1 Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution does give Congress the right to coin and manage our currency, and Article 1 Section 8 does say Congress can regulate commerce (Article 1 Section 8 Clause 3)...but NO WHERE does The Constitution say Congress or any part of our Constitutional Government can CREATE AND THEN MANDATE a commerce!!!


How do these Marxist imbeciles get out of their houses let alone onto the bench of the Supreme Court of The United States?!!






  -Rev. Larry Wallenmeyer- P.A.N. Admin II.
"Disobedience to tyrants is Obedience to God." -Benjamin Franklin.

Tags: Barack+HUSSEIN+Obama, Capitalism, Conservative, Constitution, Elana+Kagan, Free+Market, Liberalism, Liberals, Liberty, Obamacrae

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Reverend Larry:

I believe she does get it! That's the reason she was planted in the Supreme Court. She understands her role only too well.

Any honorable attorney would have recused him/herslf from further involvement in this case, after having authored the very bill now in the balance. 

I wonder how many Justices have ever been faced with such a decision who didn't act honorably on behalf of the people, instead of for the political party that sponsored her?

@Carl Fisher, I see your point...the matter that Kagan should NOT even be on the Supreme Court, and certainly should NOT be hearing THIS case IS the real heart of the issue...

...but Kagan IS on the Supreme Court and Kagan IS hearing the case...so I'm addressing the news as it happens- not as we both wished had happened.

 

@S. Phillip Stein, yes, I'm sure to some degree she gets it...but she can't possibly FULLY understand the ramifications of Obama-care/Marxism if she's pushing FOR it.

I agree...an honorable, and honest person would recuse themselves...but then, and honorable and honest person wouldn't lie and hide their real world-view/agenda to get on the court.

 -Rev. Larry Wallenmeyer- P.A.N. Admin II.
"Disobedience to tyrants is Obedience to God." -Benjamin Franklin.

Kagan is Obama's political left wing hack that is NOT supposed to be partial but is and very evident by her questions.  She was appointed by Obama to the bench because she is a flat out "socialist".  Nothing more, nothing less.  Her knowledge of the Constitution is irrelevant as a socialist.  Her goal is to break the Constitution whenever a vote comes up that impacts its cause and meaning.  Nothing more, nothing less. One thing is for sure - she sure likes to cash that paycheck from the American people.

Kagen is not dumb or stupid she is just a Marxist that Obama has put on the court to defend his Health care bill that they have put in place to control us with... Just a natural thing for her.. We all see it for what it is, coercion,she, as a Marxist, sees it as the natural course of events... We need to make sure that we remove Obama then do as Gingrich has said and remove her and a couple of others from the court !!!!

...UNFORTUNATELY she DOES "get it."   She's a socialist, and with her position in government, she's guaranteed to be above the plight of the masses should the country be fundamentally changed...

...TO SAY that she, and obama, and the others who support this transformation don't "get it," is to delude ourselves, and indicates that WE DON'T GET IT!!

Obama..........to get more votes from the stupid, will be releasing oil from "The National Reserve" to purportedly lower the price at the gas pump. Now why National News Media will you help the stupid to vote for Obastard, when there is no shortage in crude oil or gasoline? In FACT, we are exporting gasoline to "3" OTHER countries?

UP-DATE!!

WILL BE ADDING TO OP AS WELL.

Justice Stephen Breyer said that Congress can pass a law creating a commerce in order to regulate it!

More will be added in the OP!! This is Liberal Reality run amok!

Source:  http://cnsnews.com/news/article/justice-breyer-can-congress-make-am...

 -Rev. Larry Wallenmeyer- P.A.N. Admin II.
"Disobedience to tyrants is Obedience to God." -Benjamin Franklin.

Unfortunately Tom, WE DO GET IT, but "WE" aren't in the position to get her out of the ruling on OBAMACARE.  The so-called "Representatives" we have in D.C. are the ones who can do something about it.  I don't know why everyone is so afraid of Obama and showing ANY opposition to him, his cronies, his plans, and his agenda.  He's a fraud and so is everything else he's done since he's been in office.  He planted Kagen on the Supreme Court and unless she recuses herself on cases to which she has a clear conflict of interest we still have to rely on our "representatives" to start screaming "foul."

This woman is an imbecile. Those boatloads of money belong to us, the taxpayers-not the federal gov't. Not only that but they are killing Medicare to create this ridiculous law. The SCOTUS will not even read the 2, 700 some-odd pages of the law. Wasn't it Kagan who helped write Obamacare? How can she be allowed to vote on it? If she does, she should be impeached for conflict of interest. One other thing- if Obamacare is sooo good, maybe those 535 morons who claim to be the leadership of this country should give up their special medical plan, and be in it, too. Why are there so many exemptions? There is NOTHING legitimate about this health care law.

We need to start an "impeach the liberal SCOTUS justices" movement.  Progressives often cite the "commerce clause" and think they can extend it to individuals but the actual wording in the constitution refers to entities that are governmental in nature and not persons.  When the constitution refers to individuals it does not refer to them as "states" or "indian tribes" but as persons.  We need to stick with what the words in the constitution really mean verses what some activist justice wants them to mean.  "Impeach all word smithing SCOTUS justices"

COMRADE KAGAN AND HER COMMIE PALS ARE BEING INSULTED BY OUR CONSTITUTION. AND THE PEOPLE THAT UPHOLD IT.  POOR BABY POOPSIE.

ALL Tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent...when the people fear their govt,there is Tyranny;when the govt fears the people,there is Liberty.

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